On the anniversary of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia, Novaya Gazeta Europe editor-in-chief Kirill Martynov has spoken with US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland.
What is the reaction of the US to Vladimir Putin’s decision to suspend its participation in the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty? Does the US have plans for a “strategic defeat” of Russia? What are the main outcomes of the year of the war?
The only thing we want is for Russia to get out of Ukraine and allow Ukraine to be a free, independent country, a good neighbour to everybody. This war is completely Putin’s decision,
I think the saddest part, apart from the destruction of Ukraine itself and its difficulty, as I said, has been what’s happened to Russia from Putin’s choices.
Well, we do have legislation that allows that. The question is it usually is designed for states that support other organisations that are terrorist. I think instead what we see is a Russian military that is itself behaving in barbarous ways. Mass graves, the exfiltration of Ukrainians, including children, the rape and torture of people on the battlefield. So it is Russia itself that is committing war crimes, not sponsoring somebody else.
What do you think, can China be the real ally for President Putin in this war?
You know, China continues to tell the world that it is neutral in this conflict, that it supports the sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, including Ukraine, that it supports the UN Charter. So our message back to China is, if you want to maintain your credibility on that front, do not get into the arms business with Putin. Do not accelerate this bloody war. Work for peace. We have already seen examples of Chinese companies starting to aid the Russian war effort. As you may know, we sanctioned one Chinese company a couple of weeks ago, Spacety, because it was providing geolocational data for the Wagner Group. And our sanctions package will also seek to close sanctions evasion by China. And our warnings have been very, very strong. So we hope that China will, in fact, live up to its word and stay neutral.
What is your message for the Russian audience, for those who are against the war or those who don’t understand how to react to this situation?
What I would say is that American hearts bleed for Ukraine, but we also bleed for all the Russian families who are affected by this war, who have lost their sons on the battlefield, who are squeezed economically, who have had family and friends, feel like they have to flee, and whose kids' chances are so constrained by the choices that Putin has made. But understand, this was Putin’s choice to start this. Nobody wanted this war except for him. And it’s time for Russians to tell their government: it’s time to go home and tend your own gardens.